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	<title>Comments on: Three Fallacies in the Gay Marriage Debate (Part II)</title>
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		<title>By: WtW</title>
		<link>http://religiousrhetorics.com/2009/06/16/gay-marriage-fallacies-2/#comment-120</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Responding to #3, I wonder if further examination may shed more light on the fallacy of the argument. As an Episcopal priest, I have the joy of preparing couples for marriage. In our meetings, we go through the service as it is found in the Book of Common Prayer (1979).

Near the end of the service, a set of prayers is said, one of which may be omitted (the BCP provides a vertical line next to optional paragraphs). The optional prayer concerns procreation.

I take this to mean that the procreative event is not necessary for a definition of marriage. Many heterosexual couples choose not to have children. Some are incapable. Others, such as those who marry at advanced age may be past child-bearing years.

It seems that the procreative argument turns a blind eye to heterosexual marriages that do not include children. Extending the argument to include these groups shows the fallacious nature of said argument.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Responding to #3, I wonder if further examination may shed more light on the fallacy of the argument. As an Episcopal priest, I have the joy of preparing couples for marriage. In our meetings, we go through the service as it is found in the Book of Common Prayer (1979).</p>
<p>Near the end of the service, a set of prayers is said, one of which may be omitted (the BCP provides a vertical line next to optional paragraphs). The optional prayer concerns procreation.</p>
<p>I take this to mean that the procreative event is not necessary for a definition of marriage. Many heterosexual couples choose not to have children. Some are incapable. Others, such as those who marry at advanced age may be past child-bearing years.</p>
<p>It seems that the procreative argument turns a blind eye to heterosexual marriages that do not include children. Extending the argument to include these groups shows the fallacious nature of said argument.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Cagle</title>
		<link>http://religiousrhetorics.com/2009/06/16/gay-marriage-fallacies-2/#comment-112</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 19:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Two thoughts:

(1) Is #2 really an exaggeration fallacy?  

For example, consider this situation (biased source alert):

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&amp;pageId=61342

Assuming accuracy in the reporting, this appears to cast argument #2 in a different light.  Rather than an exaggeration, it is a slippery slope argument in this form:

(A) If we allow gays to have marriage rights, and
(B) If marriage rights are given civil protections, then
(C) Traditional views will not be able to claim a First-Amendment exemption, so that
(D) Religious objectors to gay marriage will be penalized (or silenced).

This seems like a plausible inductive argument, no?

(2) The fact that America&#039;s birth rate is below replacement level is a Bad Thing.  No relationship to gay marriage of course; just pedantically pointing that out.  :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two thoughts:</p>
<p>(1) Is #2 really an exaggeration fallacy?  </p>
<p>For example, consider this situation (biased source alert):</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&#038;pageId=61342" rel="nofollow">http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&#038;pageId=61342</a></p>
<p>Assuming accuracy in the reporting, this appears to cast argument #2 in a different light.  Rather than an exaggeration, it is a slippery slope argument in this form:</p>
<p>(A) If we allow gays to have marriage rights, and<br />
(B) If marriage rights are given civil protections, then<br />
(C) Traditional views will not be able to claim a First-Amendment exemption, so that<br />
(D) Religious objectors to gay marriage will be penalized (or silenced).</p>
<p>This seems like a plausible inductive argument, no?</p>
<p>(2) The fact that America&#8217;s birth rate is below replacement level is a Bad Thing.  No relationship to gay marriage of course; just pedantically pointing that out.  <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Three Fallacies in the Gay Marriage Debate (Part I) &#171; Religious Rhetorics</title>
		<link>http://religiousrhetorics.com/2009/06/16/gay-marriage-fallacies-2/#comment-108</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Three Fallacies in the Gay Marriage Debate (Part I) &#171; Religious Rhetorics]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 04:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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